Dr. Paris Love, CEO of Paris Love Productivity Institute, chats with Gary about how achieving productivity within your business is easier than you think. In this episode, Dr. Paris shares the importance of setting boundaries within your business, why you should only check your email three times a day, and why being busy doesn't mean you are being productive.
Dr. Paris Love, CEO of Paris Love Productivity Institute, chats with Gary about how achieving productivity within your business is easier than you think. In this episode, Dr. Paris shares the importance of setting boundaries within your business, why you should only check your email three times a day, and why being busy doesn't mean you are being productive.
Think you don't have enough time in the workday? Think again! Dr. Paris shares how she helps her clients reclaim hours in their workday, how to properly implement project management solutions, and why every aspect of your business needs to be organized--even your junk drawer!
Listen now to learn how Paris and her team can help you break out of bad business habits, and how she can help you improve the workflow of your business.
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Gary DeHart
Welcome to another episode of Accounting Insiders. I am Gary DeHart. And I'm joined today by Dr. Paris Love of the Productivity Institute?
Dr. Paris Love
Paris Love productivity Institute.
Gary DeHart
I was close, Paris love productivity Institute. So Paris and I go way back to last year. We were in the was cohort 16. I think it was with Goldman Sachs 10,000 small businesses course, which is a phenomenal course, if you ever have the opportunity to, to be a part of that jump in. It's a lot of work. But it's fantastic. You meet a lot of great people, you do a lot of work on your business to get your business set to grow set to sell set to whatever it is your goal is. And speaking of goals, Paris, Dr. Paris tell us in a nutshell, what is it that you do?
Dr. Paris Love
So I thank you so much for having me on the show. I appreciate it. So we help people do the things that that they always talk about, but never get around to doing? And so you probably like, Well, how do you do that? I'm so glad you asked. So we come in. And we work with overextended professionals and helping them overcome those barriers that are keeping them disorganized, dissatisfied, and discontent. And so several ways that we do that our sweet spot is working with physical clutter. But we know that the physical clutter has nothing to do with the main issue. So we peel back those layers to figure out what the main issue is. And so a lot of times we are doing a deep dive into the emotional and mental aspect of clutter. And as one of my client told me once she said, I didn't know I had to reparent myself.
Gary DeHart
That's actually a great way to look at it, though. It's really is what it is, right? I mean, you're having to kind of go back to the early childhood days and break all those horrible bad habits that we've all develop. Right? So so is it physical clutter at the office, physical clutter at home or physical clutter, just wherever you got problems?
Dr. Paris Love
Wherever you got problems, because what I find is a lot of clients that I need you to come help me in my office, because I'm piling paper up, I can't find what I need, I'm always late. And then when I get there, they're like, walk out though you do this, I need you to house. And it's vice versa to someone may call me for their home. And then they're like, can you come to my office? Right? So and I always tell people, when you have clutter, it just calls to his friends come visit me Come hang out with me. And so it spills over in other areas of our lives.
Gary DeHart
Absolutely. And it does, then it kind of compounds on itself. Because like, Oh, here's that junk drawer, right? I can just put it in there. Nobody would see!
Dr. Paris Love
You're allowed one junk drawer, but has to be organized.
Gary DeHart
And organized. That's really funny. So So I sent you about 10 questions, and we're gonna just kind of go through the so if I'm looking down, it's because I'm checking on the question to make sure I don't miss anything. But you kind of said it. But question number two I had down here was how does it help people? So like, and maybe by that we can broaden that to when you get to a client. And they have this clutter problem, which most of us do, I imagine at some level? What's the expected outcome for them? Like, what's their wind?
Dr. Paris Love
So before I, when a client calls me, I want to really get to what their needs are, and what's really causing the most pain like what's that pain point. And so once we start to do a deep dive, we're realizing that because all people say, Well, I don't have time, well, you may not have systems in place, or the system that you're using, you're not using it effectively, you have habits like from childhood, we all have these old habits. And as you become an adult, a lot of times we need to change some of those habits and create new habits but we get so used to this is how it always is. This is just what I do. And it's really changing those habits so that they can be more productive, more efficient throughout their day. You know, I always say you can get 28 hours in the 24 hour period. People like well how do you do that? Well, it's 168 hours in a week. How are you utilizing that? And a lot of times it's a lot of time wasters social media you know those phone calls that oh, here comes cousin Joe calling again I gotta stay on the phone you know for two hours while cousin Joe know you got issue I got 15 minutes.
Gary DeHart
Clocks going timers on! And also we were talking about it coming in In the Green Room, so to speak, the kind of the the inbox, right, the email inbox, not the not the physical inbox, but the email inbox that we don't get rid of that we don't delete. And then we ended up going back seven times looking at the same email. And even on number seven, we're like, Oh, I'll deal with that tomorrow. Right, I got to do something with it. And so that's my commitment. Now, I told you, I had a conversation on Monday, and a guy mentioned that I'm like, Oh, I have got to do that. Because mine's a mess.
Dr. Paris Love
So here's a trick for that. So in my inbox, write this down. Yeah, right. Does that so and my inbox, so I'm looking at my Gmail, and so I have a business account, and I have a Gmail, so my business kind of bounces to my Gmail. And the reason why I do that, because of my name, I always get spammed is the craziest thing. And like, we can communicate, and it's like, okay, this is scary. Then one day, it's like, Oh, your spam, and my business email is so great that I don't really get spam. So I had to get out. So I look at my email. First thing I do. And here's another thing, a lot of times we look at an email multiple times a day, how about when you walk into the office, lunchtime, and today? And when you look at your email, like do a quick scan, and you go, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, because there's a lot of things that we get a lot of spam anyway, like, okay, delete, delete, delete, delete. So say you have 100 emails that you just receive, maybe get it down to 50. And then look, okay, is this something that I can handle? Or is it something that I can delegate? So you go, okay, Havertys, I can delegate, you send those over to your assistant, whoever is going to handle that. Then you have 25. And you go through and you go, and you can see the subject line, right now, okay, I can take care of this. So maybe five and you can take care of. So you still have a handful and you go, okay, when am I and be really honest, when will I be able to take care of this? Can I do it now? Can I just take 1530 minutes and do it now? Or do I need to do this, maybe at the end of the week? Because in our mind, we're like, I don't really have the time right now to do it. And sometimes you open up an email, you're like, Well, that was a really quick answer, or Oh, I didn't need to answer that. They're just saying thank you for meeting with me. You know, we can follow up at a later date. Okay, I don't really need to respond to that, if I do is, you know, thank you led me to you send it on. A lot of times we look at it, and we're like, Oh, my goodness, this is gonna I had to write a 10 page paper. No, you don't. And then you will have maybe I'm just gonna guess three to five emails, that needs some really felt to it. So an example is, I have entrepreneurs center here, and I sent them an email, and they sent it to like three people. So I reply, they came back. It was three paragraphs long. And I felt, okay, I got to talk to Gary, how soon can I do this? And I pulled it up. So I wouldn't forget. And I was like, You know what, I might as well just do it now. Because if not, I'm gonna go on to something else. It took all the 10 minutes. It was am I was a longer email as well. But I sent it out. So now it's in their hands. I don't have to worry about it. But if I want to put it to later, it'd be next week. And I go, did they reply to me? I don't know!
Gary DeHart
Right. And then it gets in, like we were talking about before. So I had some things on from Thursday, Friday, I was out kind of Friday afternoon, through the weekend. And then we had this two days of webinars, I've really, Monday, I had to kind of catch up a little bit, but that was, you know, still a little bit behind. So this morning, I kind of did that I've like, got to clear it got to get caught up. And part of it too, I think is is what you just touched on. Like for me, let's say it has ads attached to it or, or if it's were put something like this thing in particular that I had to work on was putting something in my registration wall. So I know that it's going to take me probably 30 minutes to get that all done and to test it to make sure it works. And, and so you see it like I don't want to spend 30 minutes doing that, right? There's so many other things I'd rather do. But but sometimes you got to sit down and just do it or better yet delegate it, like you said.
Dr. Paris Love
And set a timer. So if you think it's going to be 30 minutes, I would add a little fluff to that and just say 45 minutes, okay, so it's like okay, for the next 30 minutes next hour. Make it a game. Let me see how many emails I can go through an answer. Either I'm going to take care of it or I'm going to delegate it to somebody else. And remember, when you delegate to somebody else, give them a timeframe, because they're doing the same thing. They're like, I think I can answer this later into your mind, you're thinking, why delegated it to you. So you could do it right now. Right? So you have to give them direction as well.
Gary DeHart
I think that's a really good point. There's a lot of times for us as well, when we actually kind of jumped in to actually the whole podcasting thing. We, we found a bunch of stuff and back in June at an event, and then it just kind of sat there. And kind of in hindsight, we didn't really tell the guy that was doing the film work, who was doing the initial editing, we didn't really give them a deadline. And so, you know, shame on us. So our fault can't blame him. He's, he's like, hey, if you don't need it now, then I'll go do something else. That is a higher priority for somebody. Right? So like that. So. So it's always learning. Right? So. So you already said that? So oh, actually, this the third question I had on here is how you actually work? Are you you mentioned going to client side? Is that the only way you work? Or do you work like this, too.
Dr. Paris Love
I do work like this. But you would be surprised a lot of people don't want virtual. They're like, I need you here. I need you right next to me. Because I need to be told what to do. And no, you know, no shade on anybody. But a lot of times we can get in our head and go, Is this really important. And something's going to capture our attention and draw us somewhere else. So when I'm there, I'm keeping you laser focus, right? Because my clients are starting to walk right away you go, are we going to the bathroom. Don't be long!
Gary DeHart
Yeah, it's not. I was not on the agenda. There's no bathroom time. So and but that accountability is what that is. So that's what they're providing. And it's a lot easier. It's a lot easier to tell you, you know what, I gotta go to the bathroom when we're like this, versus, you know, we're in the middle of working. And that's my son. I saw to do that with him all the time. He's like, No, I'll just just just what? Nope, books. He's working on his eagle Eagle for scouts. And it's just like, oh, my gosh, just do it. Just do it.
Dr. Paris Love
It's so much easier to do it now than to put it off for later. Because we tell a story in our mind. I don't have time right now. It's gonna take me forever. I'm just going to end those habits of I'll put it here and come back later. And we know that later. Never comes right. I always challenge people. When you look at a calendar, it's January through December, Sunday through Saturday. And depending on the month, it has, you know, 2830 31 days, on your calendar, anywhere does it say someday, one day? And I always say I'll wait, maybe you find that on your calendar. Right? What? No, because it doesn't exist.
Gary DeHart
Actually, Sunday doesn't exist, right? Because we're gonna keep kicking it down the road. That's right. So ultimately, what are people looking for when they hire Dr. Parris Love?
Dr. Paris Love
To be more productive, to find what they need within a few seconds. Because a lot of times we lose things. It's that organized chaos. I know exactly where it is. But how long is it taking you to find it? Right. And really get back some of that time, because a lot of times, I mentioned time wasters or social media, but time wasters can be searching for. I know, like I love sticky notes. And I will have a sticky note. So I have said, If I get more than five sticky notes, I'm like, Okay, I gotta take action on it. Because if not, I have a zillion sticky notes all over the place. But we put some on a sticky note, then we put a paper on it, or it gets stuck to something else. We're like, where's that sticky I know is here, and 30 minutes half pass. And so statistically, when we are working on something, and we go to do something else, it takes 23 minutes for our brain to catch back up. So if you're working on somebody, like squirrel, and you go and do something else, then your brain goes. Now what was I doing? Just like 23 minutes, it's almost a half hour, it's wasted because your brain has to catch back up.
Gary DeHart
Yeah, so how do I so with that the biggest distraction for me outside of my bird feeder, which is right out here. The biggest distraction for me is Teams, we use Teams. And I mean, it's just always some message flying somewhere. How do you how do you handle that?
Dr. Paris Love
So, so Gary, so that would be on you. So you had to delegate that it to say, okay, these are hair on fire. I need you right now. This is it's not a hair on fire. I could probably wait At the end of the day, and then you have the third category. Yeah, this is really not an emergency. We can, you know, we wait to the end of the week. We're good. Yeah. So it's like, well, we tell our children why. And because we're, you know, doing the pandemic, we will on Zoom. And you know, literally always call everyone, little Johnny, little Johnny's like, Mom, can I get something to eat? That's not emergency baby, that the house is on fire. You need to tell me the same thing. When we have teens, you had to communicate to them? What is an emergency? What is priority? And what is our what I need you right now, this can wait to the end of the day or the next day, so that they have perimeters and guidelines.
Gary DeHart
Yeah, I like that to set some boundaries. And keeping sticking with little Johnny, right? We we taught little Johnny, you can't just come interrupt us in the middle of everything. Right. So it's actually a good point. I like that. Yeah. All right. Great. I can't remember, this is one of the questions, but I'm gonna throw it out there anyway. And again, I'm looking here just trying to make sure. So do you when you go on site? Or do zoom? Which one do you prefer? Do you prefer on site? Do you prefer zoom?
Dr. Paris Love
I like going on site? Yeah, I love it. Because I can see it, I can touch it. And then I get to see the entire pictures. So a lot of my clients have teams. And so I have to share the story really quick. So I have a client, he brought me in because he's like, we're not being productive. I don't really know what you know, my staff is doing. And so I was like, let me come in. So I traveled to him. And I just sat back. And I kind of watched what the team was doing. They're showing up late. They're looked like they're busy, but they're not being productive at all, because it's different between being busy and productive. And so I came in and I'm like, Okay, let's get some guidelines. Let's get some boundaries. And once we established that they're like, oh, okay, because it's, you know, I'm 10 minutes late today became almost 90 minutes late. You actually had a new person, they were 90 minutes late. I said, Oh, I will tell them. Thank you. No, thank you.
Gary DeHart
Here's that revolving door. Just follow it right back around.
Dr. Paris Love
Exactly, exactly. But if you allow that. Then of course, the next time they come in, they're late. I'm like, well, that's okay. Because I'm always late. Yeah, this is what I've always do. This is just how I am.
Gary DeHart
This is me being on time. Right.
Dr. Paris Love
Exactly. Yeah. Not a good thing. Okay. So I like in person.
Gary DeHart
Yeah, I agree. And then what about? Are you talking about technology as well? I mean, is that part of what what you work with people on kind of the tools be more productive?
Dr. Paris Love
That's a good question. So I look at their systems and their processes, anything that has to do with like, technology, digital world, I can do, but that doesn't get me up in the morning. So I actually have someone on my team, that's a remote COO, who knows all the systems, all the apps, so they like I said, you know what, it might be good to use because you have teams might be good to use Asana. Yeah, okay, I research and I like Asana, and then they go and take it and set you up and communicate that way. Okay, I like the physical clutter. And I like to uncover those pieces of the brain that goes, what I like to pile things up. I just like to put things right here. But why do you do that? Yeah.
Gary DeHart
Yeah, because I'm slapping my hand. That's why I can't that's why I have to keep my background on you can't see. See what's behind me. You would judge me negatively.
Dr. Paris Love
I never judge I never judge. That's a good point. I know, that wasn't part of my question. But a lot of times, clients don't reach out because they feel that they're going to be judged. And I tell people, there's no judgment, no judgment. And when I come in, I like I get to work because I've had clients go, but you're not gonna judge me. I'm like, No. Like, like, I want to get to work and get you from point A to point B.
Gary DeHart
Right? I'm here to help. Not to shame, right? Absolutely. All right. So what do you think what are the top three reasons people are not as productive as they should be? Not causes, not causes, like teams, or texting? What's kind of the biggest top three reasons?
Dr. Paris Love
Only get three, huh? Yeah. Okay. Lack of Goals.
Gary DeHart
Were you for you. You can go to four, maybe five.
Dr. Paris Love
I do three. All right. I've always seen these threes my numbers so go to three. So if you say four, then I gotta go to six. So lack of goals. Sometimes we don't have clear and defined goals. We don't prioritize. We're not sure what's more important, what's urgent, so we have to prioritize. And number three distractions. Distractions. Things are huge, whether it's squirrel, I like doing that squirrel, or, you know, it's the phone ringing. It's you know, the event. And remember when we were students, just to the shuffling of the paper, people like I gotta study. And so we become adults. And we think it's okay. There's a lot of music in the background, there's a little, you know, noise. It's not like, some of us have to be complete, silent. And there are those who they liked the chatter. But you have to know like your strong suit, because not everybody can work with a lot of noise going on. And we think that we're productive. But we're really not. Because while we're working like, Oh, I'm typing, and you're listening to music, if you look up, you go, Oh, I just typed the lyrics of the words.
Gary DeHart
Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah, I've heard this the other day, and I can't, I'm gonna get it wrong. And I can't remember who said it outside, I'd have to reach back out to him. They told me we're actually we're telling my wife. So it's kind of half listening. That like if you're in like a, in a like a crowded area, let's say, and let's say you're at a restaurant is kind of loud. And like the person next to you or near you has a louder voice. They said, If you plug one ear, it knocks out conversational level. And if you plug the other ear and knocks out kind of the background level, have you ever heard that?
Dr. Paris Love
I haven't. I haven't.
Gary DeHart
Yeah, I'm gonna have to ask my wife because I can't remember where we were or who said it, but had totally forgotten about it till just now. So but I do want to test it out. Right and go, yeah, not that I'm not listening.
Dr. Paris Love
Yeah, that makes sense. Because a lot of people if they can only hear out of one ear, or like their one of their ears, they don't hear as well. You. And it's interesting, because something could be going on on this side. And for you is distracting. And they just go on into this until you say something. They go oh, I'm sorry. I can't hear out of his ear. You're like, oh, okay, so yeah, it makes sense.
Gary DeHart
Yeah. So, alright, so is there like a?, well, let's go to bad habits. Sorry. So my bad habits that you just talked about? So lack of goals, no priority and distractions? How do I get it? How do I get out of those bad habits and better prioritize myself or set goals or eliminate those distractions.
Dr. Paris Love
So I will take so everyone's work week normally starts on a Monday. So you can do this on Sunday or early Monday morning. But really sit down, be laser focus, and be very honest with yourself and go, This is what I have for the week. These are items are important. So prioritize it. Like number one would be I need to do this today. Number two, to Wednesday, number three, yeah, we can wait to Friday, maybe next week, but prioritize it. Set goals. Okay, this week, my goal is to reach out to X amount of people this week, my goal is to do the 10 proposals that's been sitting in my inbox. So like, have clear, concise goals, and then prioritize those goals. Your habits are, oh, I don't want to do this, especially if you're at home, I can go wash the dishes, or the laundry, you know, and we start to you know, think like this, well, maybe I'm gonna straighten my desk, we always prepare and then we straighten my dest before I do this. So you have to be laser focused and go, This is what's important right now, for the next 30 minutes. Hour. Let me just focus on this. And then you get out the habit of oh, let me go over here. I can go to my kitchen and get some coffee. But it'd be really nice to go to Starbucks, right? You can just go to your kitchen, get some coffee.
Gary DeHart
You'll save money to. So is so in your program. Do you have is that part of it? Am I just am I coming out? You're coming out one time? Or is this an ongoing? I don't want to call it intervention. But is it an ongoing? follow ups and and accountability?
Dr. Paris Love
So I actually have packages. And so my packages range from and it depends on the clients, but one of my packages is six months. So month one and month six, I physically come to you month one we are we're doing a whole organization decluttering we're getting all our systems in place. And I'm teaching you those new habits, how to prioritize. I'm looking at how are you utilizing your time looking at your calendar? Because when I go back home and I go Gary, you know it's Wednesday at two what you're doing. Oh, I'm at Starbucks, want to know what you're supposed to be doing? So for the next five months, we do weekly coaching accountability, because it's easy when I leave it's like okay, she's gone. I'm just gonna rest right now when she won't know if I do. So I'm holding you accountable every week to making sure those goals and objectives and systems are in place. And then month six, I come back just to do a little tweak, and make sure everything's running smoothly. And I also look at teams, like, how are your work? Because a lot of times as a business owner, we are the bottleneck. Right? We're the ones it's not the team is really us.
Gary DeHart
Yeah, exactly can certainly sit on our desk or in our inbox. So good. So let's, just before we wrap up, what's your biggest client success story?
Dr. Paris Love
Oh, let's see. Um, oh, so I have, so this is a good one. Um, so my title, pretty much Professional Organizer. I might call myself accountability coach, but pretty much Professional Organizer. So in our industry, because we're so very unique. A lot of times, like we have a very close knit community. And so one of my, we think of competition as our competitors, but I look at as collaborators. So one of the organizers came and started coaching with me, like we didn't do any organizing, but she wanted to coach and grow our business. And we know that statistically, most businesses don't make it to three years, the ones that make it the three will make it to five, so she was in that third year. She's like, Yeah, I don't really know. And I'm like getting clients and this is what's going on. So we kind of peel back the onion for that. And I'm like, okay, let's really do a deep dive in your business. Where do you want to go? Like, where are you now? Where do you want to go? But then six months she had gotten on the horder show. Really? She changed her focus to doing physical organizing to doing photo organizing, which is a very specific niche. She got very clear as she grew her business. 25%.
Gary DeHart
That's great. Yeah, yeah, the great story. Alright, so wrapping up. Number 10. The question was, is that is it? Well, we kind of set it here. So we'll I'm gonna circle back to a bit so asked when I kind of in the green room, and when I asked you to be on the show, talked about is the problem, lack of goal setting, which you kind of talked about that already a habit forming issue, which maybe that's priority, and then time management, which maybe that's distractions, but so it's in would you say any of those is more of a bigger problem than the other? Or are they all three just equally bad problems?
Dr. Paris Love
I think they're all equal. Because if you say, I can't manage my time, well, it's because you haven't established goals. You haven't established good habits or routines. So it's all like they're all combined together. So once you're able to manage your time better, you have a routine, you have goals and intentions. Yeah, that's a good one.
Gary DeHart
Yeah. Any, any parting thoughts before we wrap it up?
Dr. Paris Love
Oh, I do. I want to go back to the email. Another little trick that I do, and I and I have done this, I never tell someone that I haven't done I'm not willing to do. So you know, again, you go, oh, I want to keep that email. I'm gonna go back. I read it. I want to keep it for reference. So at the end of last year, I had about 3000 emails, I read them because I want to keep that. And if you get in someone's challenge, you know, it's like five days, and I want to keep this. And I was like, Oh, I hate look, and I hate looking at the number. So I always I don't like I don't have the numbers, but I had like 3000 emails, I was like, Okay, I'm gonna go through, I'm gonna be a ninja. Am I really gonna look at again, will that look at this as a reference? And so I've just started clicking Oh, am I need that. Let me put it in a folder. So it has, like Goldman Sachs, everything goes into Goldman Sachs folder. So I went through. I saw, it took me you know, half a day on a Saturday Gary, it took me like three days, I'm just gonna be like, Oh my god. So at the end of that I go, we're not doing this again. Right. So my inbox after I read, I cannot have more than 100 emails when I started to look and I'm like, 103 Nope, somebody I can't get it started deleting.
Gary DeHart
That's a lot more manageable, right to think about, how do I get rid of three emails versus 3000. Now I did have and I still don't know if this was operator error, or if it was just a Microsoft glitch. My entire inbox got deleted. And like, I don't think it wasn't an operator error because it wasn't in like the deleted file. So it was gone. But you know what, it was so refreshing. It was like, Oh, well, if it was really important, right? It's gonna come back who aren't you have somebody really needed something. They're gonna ask me for it and guess what?
Dr. Paris Love
No problems. Yeah. And you can get it again, with technology, you can always get it again.
Gary DeHart
So, yeah, I was happy not to get it again.
Dr. Paris Love
That's true. Sometimes we don't even miss it. We're like, yeah!
Gary DeHart
Yeah. And so Alright, so we talked before about maybe trying to start getting either doing this kind of on a regular basis, I'd love to do this and really, maybe go from a little less conversational to more, hey, let's, let's get into tactics and strategy, or strategy and tactics of getting setting goals or setting those priorities or getting rid of those distractions. And maybe we can do that through some content, some written content, and maybe some more of these just over time, I would love to do that. If that's if that works with you.
Dr. Paris Love
You could pull the curtain back and we can I can help you organize that back area.
Gary DeHart
You know, the trashcan is how I would need to organize that. So there's 99% of it. Actually one of them you'll know this as a as a veteran. Of last At&t. I don't know if you know this, so we have AT&T, but if you use that or T Mobile, they have a I think it's 30% discount for veterans. Oh, I didn't know that. I'm used AT&T for 20 years. I've never gotten that this game.
Dr. Paris Love
I have a Verizon. Yeah, they give us a discount. We have a lot of discounts.
Gary DeHart
Yeah. So they actually were looking for being I was supposed to send on my DD was it 214? I can't find that. So that's part of what's over here on the table. But my face? Yeah. I got, I got to the National Guard, like, almost 30 years ago. So...
Dr. Paris Love
Listen, listen, that's the one thing you do not go away all your military papers.
Gary DeHart
Keep that. Yeah. It's weird. I do have. I have something that's like when I transition because I went through like the state's FCS program. And so I've got that paperwork and where I went off of I was only on active duty during training periods. And I have that but I can't find that DD 214.
Dr. Paris Love
Well, good news is you can go back to the military and get it.
Gary DeHart
They'll throw anything away.
Dr. Paris Love
Yeah, yeah, you can get it and when you get the new copy, do not throw it away. And then that's something that you would keep I noticed this extra extra tip people social security cards, passports, birth certificate, marriage license, anything military related insurance goes into a safe you can do a small on Walmart fireproof safe, right? It's the stuff that happens you're not worried about oh, let me go get my shirt that I you know, bought in 1902. You're going to need to grab it and go.
Gary DeHart
Right. You don't. I haven't looked in my in our safe. It might be in there. Maybe I put it there. I just hadn't thought about it. Let me know. Yeah, I will. I'll go I'm sorry. So I need to wrap up. How can people find you?
Dr. Paris Love
I'm on all social media platforms but not Tik Tok. So LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram, Pinterest, Twitter, Dr. Paris Love. And my website is https://www.drparislove.com/
Gary DeHart
Got it, https://www.drparislove.com/. All right, well go get organized. I'm going to delete some emails. And actually, I've got a call coming up here in just a minute. So thank you so much for taking time. And like I said, I do hope we can do this on a more regular basis. So we can just kind of spread the good word about productivity and getting rid of all that clutter. And maybe it'll help me get in the mindset of getting rid of more clutter as well. So all right, well, thank you so much. Great catching up with you. All right. Bye bye.